Comments on: Agnosticism Revisited & the Case for Atheism

By: Atheology » Can General Atheism be Proved?

Atheology » Can General Atheism be Proved? — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:57:40 +0000

[...] that being agnostic about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Creator isn’t justifiable. I used the Argument from Perfection (a version of the Problem of Evil) to demonstrate that belief in a perfect creator isn’t [...]

By: Kathleen

Kathleen — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:09:25 +0000

“Is’nt an agnostic just an atheist with no balls?”

Love that quote!

By: Morgan-LynnGriggs Lamberth

Morgan-LynnGriggs Lamberth — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:36:55 +0000

This argument is in line with the problem of Heaven[ ' ;Arguing about Gods," "Atheism Explained,,," and "Atheism, Morality and Meaning."] that to be consistent ,paradise ought to be here as well as in Heaven: one would have free will with the guarantee never to do wrong.
Also Google skeptic griggsy or rationalist griggsy to see this problem adumbrated.
Thanks for this blog.

By: d.edlen

d.edlen — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:10:51 +0000

Looks perfectly straight to me. Of course, I’m also the type of person who allegedly [ahem! allegedly] agree with everything.

By: Atheology » The Idea of God

Atheology » The Idea of God — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:59:46 +0000

[...] Agnosticism Revisited and the Case for Atheism I argued that being agnostic about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Creator isn’t justifiable. I [...]

By: Atheology » Atheism as the Defense of Naturalism

Atheology » Atheism as the Defense of Naturalism — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:42:08 +0000

[...] Put another way, weak atheism (which I have elsewhere dubbed “general atheism”) relies on the application of methodological naturalism, following the scientific method. But why should a theist, who after all adheres to a supernatural worldview, accept the validity of methodological naturalism for questions pertaining to the supernatural? On its surface that is a reasonable question, and not one weak atheism can effectively address. [...]

By: Max

Max — Mon, 29 May 2006 15:39:10 +0000

Pertaining to: “Agnosticism Revisited & the Case for Atheism” You do a good job pointing out the irreconsilable difficulties in a particular concept of God that embodies specific attributes. It is relatively easiy to apply our rationality and find abundant reasons to reject a specific mythic representation of the concept of god. But if I do not believe in Allah, or Jesus, or any and all specific mythic representations of god, (and I dont)that does not make me an athiest. I would be an athiest if I disbelieve in the very idea of god. You did not present an argument at this level. Nor will you ever, since the concept of god in abstract of a specific mythic tradition is a completly non-falsifiable proposition, and thus cannot be affirmed or denied by any rational means. What about an imperfect god who dosnt give a rats a$$ about our ideas of morality? What about a criminal god who is just some cosmic “script-kiddie” that stole some superior encoding technology and used it in a horribly incompetent way to create a totaly F*@ked up universe? How would you address an argument for athiesm to the concept of God in abstract of any specific attributes of god? Or is agnosticism the only fallback position in that case? If you argue against the existence of god, must you not pin that argument on some imagined attribute(s) of god. The problem is that as soon as you imagine god’s attributes you cease talking about the idea of god, and start talking about some specific imagined representation of god. You can disprove a billion representations without ever even addressing the concept of god itself. I think you blew away the xian representation of god but good, however you left the basic idea of god untouched.

By: Tim Gorski

Tim Gorski — Mon, 29 May 2006 15:38:04 +0000

What you call "The Argument From Perfection" is really The Argument from Evil. See http://www.churchoffreethought.org/cgi-bin/contray/contray.cgi?ID=000011006&GROUP=003 for an original Argument From Perfection

By: Atheology » Am I an Atheist Whackjob?

Atheology » Am I an Atheist Whackjob? — Sat, 06 May 2006 05:28:00 +0000

[...] If there’s no evidence for ghosts or aliens a la Hollywood, it hardly seems extreme to disbelieve in them. It hardly makes you a whackjob. And if it did, we’d have to paint science itself with the same brush. Drawing conclusions about existence or non-existence simply doesn’t require deductive proof. Yet, as it turns out, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God is a special case because that God is defined as perfect (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent) and the creator of the world. That exposes this specific God to the possibility of philosophical disproof. And the case for disproof is surprisingly strong. Although atheists may ultimately be wrong in asserting it, there is nothing inherently outrageous in the claim that the non-existence of this perfect creator-God is provable. [...]